The Mark Webber Thread

rah · Post by **rah** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:29 pm

RE30B#16 wrote:
JayVee wrote:Webber's move to Williams was seen as a major step forward.

Isn't it amazing that Red Bull have more points than Williams this season

Bad luck to Webber. Problem with going back to Red Bull is thatI don't think they will have a winning car next year or even the year after.
JayVee, you are forgetting that Red Bull now has the most successful car designer of the past 15 years in Adrian Newey. He has been responsible for nearly half of the championship winning cars during this period, and now he is at Red Bull! The RedBull chassis will be a contender next year. This was his first year with RBR, and if things go like they did when he went to McLaren after Williams, Red Bull cars will be winning by Monaco of next season. If they get a Renault engine, it will probably be sooner than that.

No one man can make that kind of a difference to a team. Now more than ever it is the designers making the difference. Not the designer. Did Newey design the Ferrari or the Renault? I think too that RBR have too many big names in their camp. Might be there are not enough indians.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:05 pm

rah wrote:No one man can make that kind of a difference to a team. Now more than ever it is the designers making the difference. Not the designer. Did Newey design the Ferrari or the Renault? I think too that RBR have too many big names in their camp. Might be there are not enough indians.

One man has made that kind of difference. Newey designed almost every other car that has taken the WC during the "Schumacher era." His championship winning cars go back to Nigel Mansell's 1992 Williams. He redesigned the McLaren Mika Hakkinen won his 2 championships. Every car in which Michael Schumacher has taken to a title has been designed fully or in part by Rory Byrne. Only Alonso's Renault has been the exception.

But don't take my word for it [you already didn't], follow this link and get the facts: http://www.allf1.info/

rah · Post by **rah** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:35 am

RE30B#16 wrote:
rah wrote:No one man can make that kind of a difference to a team. Now more than ever it is the designers making the difference. Not the designer. Did Newey design the Ferrari or the Renault? I think too that RBR have too many big names in their camp. Might be there are not enough indians.
One man has made that kind of difference. Newey designed almost every other car that has taken the WC during the "Schumacher era." His championship winning cars go back to Nigel Mansell's 1992 Williams. He redesigned the McLaren Mika Hakkinen won his 2 championships. Every car in which Michael Schumacher has taken to a title has been designed fully or in part by Rory Byrne. Only Alonso's Renault has been the exception.

But don't take my word for it [you already didn't], follow this link and get the facts: http://www.allf1.info/

Don't get me wrong, I am sure he is a great designer and he has a great CV. But he hasn't designed a WDC winning car since Mika. There were times when one designer could make a difference, however they are gone. Now it is up to a large team to get the best car on the track. Head of design these days means you manage people.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:27 am

Not very well, in some cases

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:00 am

According to F1 Racing, MW has made a decision for 2007 "but will hide the outcome for now".

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:34 am

The third year of MW's deal with Williams involves a major pay hike for Mark. Knowing Sir Frank, that means Mark is g o r r r n !!!!!

rah · Post by **rah** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:46 am

Julian Mayo wrote:The third year of MW's deal with Williams involves a major pay hike for Mark. Knowing Sir Frank, that means Mark is g o r r r n !!!!!

It's probably still cheaper than most drivers. Except the rookies of course.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:03 am

rah wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:The third year of MW's deal with Williams involves a major pay hike for Mark. Knowing Sir Frank, that means Mark is g o r r r n !!!!!
It's probably still cheaper than most drivers. Except the rookies of course.

Briatore manages him, and has an extravagant lifestyle to maintain

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:43 am

I just hope that Mark can end up with a better car.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:53 am

jacfan wrote:I just hope that Mark can end up with a better car.

It wouldn't take much

Bundy · Post by **Bundy** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:28 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:I just hope that Mark can end up with a better car.

It wouldn't take much

Dito from me!!!

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:02 pm

Hey that is great

Finally something we all agree on.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:27 pm

jacfan wrote:Hey that is great Finally something we all agree on.

I disagree.

We all like a drink too.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:52 pm

rah wrote:
RE30B#16 wrote:
rah wrote:No one man can make that kind of a difference to a team. Now more than ever it is the designers making the difference. Not the designer. Did Newey design the Ferrari or the Renault? I think too that RBR have too many big names in their camp. Might be there are not enough indians.
One man has made that kind of difference. Newey designed almost every other car that has taken the WC during the "Schumacher era." His championship winning cars go back to Nigel Mansell's 1992 Williams. He redesigned the McLaren Mika Hakkinen won his 2 championships. Every car in which Michael Schumacher has taken to a title has been designed fully or in part by Rory Byrne. Only Alonso's Renault has been the exception.

But don't take my word for it [you already didn't], follow this link and get the facts: http://www.allf1.info/

Don't get me wrong, I am sure he is a great designer and he has a great CV. But he hasn't designed a WDC winning car since Mika. There were times when one designer could make a difference, however they are gone. Now it is up to a large team to get the best car on the track. Head of design these days means you manage people.

Yours is a good point well taken, but Newey has done it so many times before with different teams. When the Red Bull is the car to have in a years time, remember who told you so. They are already ahead of Williams in points.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:03 pm

jacfan wrote:I just hope that Mark can end up with a better car.

I'm in! A few years ago, I felt Webbey and Alonso were the two most promising drivers around. I hope he hasn't gotten the Williams curse.

How many drivers in recent times have had to rebuild their careers after driving for Sir Frankenstein?

JV, Frentzen, Zanardi, Schruey Jr, Jenson Button, Hill, Patrese, JPM, what gives?