Webber confirmed at Red Bull for 2007

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:21 pm

What you talking bout Willis????

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: ?The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion?(Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

Perhaps you would prefer the word(s) View or sentiment or conviction or sentiment or belief.

Keep smiling and remember ... Opinions are like a@#$%^&*!, everyone has one.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:42 pm

Bundy wrote:
jacfan wrote:I agree that you are entitled to your opinion and I believe that Julian shouild also be entitled to his opinion.
Thats the problem with opinions....Everybody thinks theirs is right!!

Just have a look at politics. All the protests/TV ads over the war in Iraq/Afghanistan and IR are all because people have different opinions to the people elected to run the country.

There is nothing wrong with heated discussion. At the end of the day time will prove one of them right. It just may not be the person you think is right.

I disagree.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:44 pm

jacfan wrote:I agree that you are entitled to your opinion and I believe that Julian shouild also be entitled to his opinion.

I fully agree. We are all entitled to our own opinion. The problem here isn't differing opinions, it is false accusations that are then labeled as facts.

In falsely accusing me of saying something, that is no longer an opinion.

But as I said before, he'll never be able to find proof to his "so called" facts cause I never said such things.

And the Webber vs Heidfeld argument that Heidfeld scored more points because Webber had more mechanical failures is absolute rubbish. Look up the record from last year and see how many times did each of them retire due to mechanical failure when they were team-mates.
Yet he labels it as fact!

Nothing to do with opinion Jacfan!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:56 am

JayVee wrote:
jacfan wrote:I agree that you are entitled to your opinion and I believe that Julian shouild also be entitled to his opinion.
I fully agree. We are all entitled to our own opinion. The problem here isn't differing opinions, it is false accusations that are then labeled as facts.

In falsely accusing me of saying something, that is no longer an opinion.

But as I said before, he'll never be able to find proof to his "so called" facts cause I never said such things.

And the Webber vs Heidfeld argument that Heidfeld scored more points because Webber had more mechanical failures is absolute rubbish. Look up the record from last year and see how many times did each of them retire due to mechanical failure when they were team-mates.
Yet he labels it as fact!

Nothing to do with opinion Jacfan!

Conversely, when you falsely accuse me of statements you expect to be believed.
You are an expert at disemmination,imho
Non the less
I doffs me lid, and bow down before you, in humble apologetic abject humility, Queen JayVee.
In order to satisfy those who would ride their chargers to death in your defence, as much to save the overworked officers of the RSPCA,as to save the limited resources of planet Earth, I withdraw my baseless allegations.(sorry Mr Saward, Sorry Mr Dodson et al)
It is all in my imagination that I should know anything about race cars.
Or Drivers.
I must have been having a bad hair day, and imagined you adopted the "Alonso the Cute" phrase I was the first to post on this forum.
I must have been an idiot to misread your posts about Jacques and what he was going to do in '05, back when you were teaching me how to post and edit.
Similarly I am an idiot to think that I should have an opinion different to yours about Alonso.
I guess JV will be the only F1 driver of our time to win only 1 WDC.
I know, and admit, and apologise to all who have endured the postings of yesterday, that I finally snapped, when confronted by yet another post eulogising a one time winner of the WDC (yes TK, I do believe you would have won it in the same car......hells bells 10 years ago I would have

)
To put simply, I have a problem with ANYONE who only posts
A/ when the driver they backs wins.......or beats Scummaker
B/when they want to start an argument.........And I refer directly to a post from JayVee to Jim Watt.
But I WILL seek therapy,....... promise .......

As soon as someone comes out and threatens not to respond to any posts to someone blackening my name.
To all others......sorry

........but it was fun

........and it livened up your day, admit it

And JayVee, apologies about the marriage thing, but I do think of you as being one hell of a catch.
You are intellligent, quick witted, quick to anger, love putting guys down
have a formidable knowledge of the history of F1, love life,.drive a Numbus happily, lust after a ......was it a Calais.......or a Muzza...........anywho.........sorry

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:50 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:
jacfan wrote:I agree that you are entitled to your opinion and I believe that Julian shouild also be entitled to his opinion.
I fully agree. We are all entitled to our own opinion. The problem here isn't differing opinions, it is false accusations that are then labeled as facts.

In falsely accusing me of saying something, that is no longer an opinion.

But as I said before, he'll never be able to find proof to his "so called" facts cause I never said such things.

And the Webber vs Heidfeld argument that Heidfeld scored more points because Webber had more mechanical failures is absolute rubbish. Look up the record from last year and see how many times did each of them retire due to mechanical failure when they were team-mates.
Yet he labels it as fact!

Nothing to do with opinion Jacfan!
Conversely, when you falsely accuse me of statements you expect to be believed.
You are an expert at disemmination,imho
Non the less
I doffs me lid, and bow down before you, in humble apologetic abject humility, Queen JayVee.
In order to satisfy those who would ride their chargers to death in your defence, as much to save the overworked officers of the RSPCA,as to save the limited resources of planet Earth, I withdraw my baseless allegations.(sorry Mr Saward, Sorry Mr Dodson et al)
It is all in my imagination that I should know anything about race cars.
Or Drivers.
I must have been having a bad hair day, and imagined you adopted the "Alonso the Cute" phrase I was the first to post on this forum.
I must have been an idiot to misread your posts about Jacques and what he was going to do in '05, back when you were teaching me how to post and edit.
Similarly I am an idiot to think that I should have an opinion different to yours about Alonso.
I guess JV will be the only F1 driver of our time to win only 1 WDC.
I know, and admit, and apologise to all who have endured the postings of yesterday, that I finally snapped, when confronted by yet another post eulogising a one time winner of the WDC (yes TK, I do believe you would have won it in the same car......hells bells 10 years ago I would have )
To put simply, I have a problem with ANYONE who only posts
A/ when the driver they backs wins.......or beats Scummaker
B/when they want to start an argument.........And I refer directly to a post from JayVee to Jim Watt.
But I WILL seek therapy,....... promise .......
As soon as someone comes out and threatens not to respond to any posts to someone blackening my name.
To all others......sorry ........but it was fun ........and it livened up your day, admit it
And JayVee, apologies about the marriage thing, but I do think of you as being one hell of a catch.
You are intellligent, quick witted, quick to anger, love putting guys down
have a formidable knowledge of the history of F1, love life,.drive a Numbus happily, lust after a ......was it a Calais.......or Muzza...........anywho.........sorry

Don't know what you are apologising for (except that silly marriage thing)

You haven't clarified anything about those facts of yours. You have falsely stated that I have consistantly denigrated Webber ? You need to show me a post where I did that or withdraw that statement otherwise it is no use apologising.

You said I thought Klien had the goods on Webber in 04, again you need to show me a post where I did that

You stated as a fact that Heidfield outscored Webber thru Webber retiring with mechanical failure more. That is wrong but you haven't admitted it so what are you apologising for ?

On Alonso The Cute, just to set the record straight, I was the first to describe him as cute on the forum. On April 6th 2005 I said:

JayVee wrote:Look what have you started lemon_martini2

Alonso is kinda cute actually

Your replies were:

Julian Mayo wrote:he might be if you stood him next to schuey

then

Julian Mayo wrote:Time lag!!!! I was referrring to Alonso being cute

In a later post you mentioned Alonso The Cute as a reference to what I said above and I said I like that phrase and I'll use it.

On Villeneuve/Alonso, on April 4th 2005 you said:

Julian Mayo wrote:No, I drink from them. He was the first to say he stuffed up! I did not think I had to say it again, for him JV will be pushed, fairly soon I take it Alonso is the flavour of the month, (season) and You too have cast JV aside like an old shoe

and I replied:

JayVee wrote:No you didn't need to repeat what Webber said but calling it 'norm'

Alonso impressed me since I saw him in Bahrain last year and since then I've been a fan of his.

Alonso wasn't champion in 2004 and had just taken the lead in the championship in 2005 when I made that statement.

This proves how wrong your silly statement is about me jumping ship and supporting Alonso when he became World Champion.

Also in August 2005 when asked who my favourite drivers where I said:

JayVee wrote:Just realised I didn't list my favourites:

Alonso and Villeneuve (both )

And Senna of course

Villeneuve won in 97 and his career went downhill from there, I continued supporting him throughout his career and still do. If it is in my character "when it became apparant that JV wasn't going to do well" that I jump ship, I would have in 99, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 but I didn't and haven't. Hell I still use JayVee as my sign name.

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:46 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:
jacfan wrote:I agree that you are entitled to your opinion and I believe that Julian shouild also be entitled to his opinion.
I fully agree. We are all entitled to our own opinion. The problem here isn't differing opinions, it is false accusations that are then labeled as facts.

In falsely accusing me of saying something, that is no longer an opinion.

But as I said before, he'll never be able to find proof to his "so called" facts cause I never said such things.

And the Webber vs Heidfeld argument that Heidfeld scored more points because Webber had more mechanical failures is absolute rubbish. Look up the record from last year and see how many times did each of them retire due to mechanical failure when they were team-mates.
Yet he labels it as fact!

Nothing to do with opinion Jacfan!
Conversely, when you falsely accuse me of statements you expect to be believed.
You are an expert at disemmination,imho
Non the less
I doffs me lid, and bow down before you, in humble apologetic abject humility, Queen JayVee.
In order to satisfy those who would ride their chargers to death in your defence, as much to save the overworked officers of the RSPCA,as to save the limited resources of planet Earth, I withdraw my baseless allegations.(sorry Mr Saward, Sorry Mr Dodson et al)
It is all in my imagination that I should know anything about race cars.
Or Drivers.
I must have been having a bad hair day, and imagined you adopted the "Alonso the Cute" phrase I was the first to post on this forum.
I must have been an idiot to misread your posts about Jacques and what he was going to do in '05, back when you were teaching me how to post and edit.
Similarly I am an idiot to think that I should have an opinion different to yours about Alonso.
I guess JV will be the only F1 driver of our time to win only 1 WDC.
I know, and admit, and apologise to all who have endured the postings of yesterday, that I finally snapped, when confronted by yet another post eulogising a one time winner of the WDC (yes TK, I do believe you would have won it in the same car......hells bells 10 years ago I would have )
To put simply, I have a problem with ANYONE who only posts
A/ when the driver they backs wins.......or beats Scummaker
B/when they want to start an argument.........And I refer directly to a post from JayVee to Jim Watt.
But I WILL seek therapy,....... promise .......
As soon as someone comes out and threatens not to respond to any posts to someone blackening my name.
To all others......sorry ........but it was fun ........and it livened up your day, admit it
And JayVee, apologies about the marriage thing, but I do think of you as being one hell of a catch.
You are intellligent, quick witted, quick to anger, love putting guys down
have a formidable knowledge of the history of F1, love life,.drive a Numbus happily, lust after a ......was it a Calais.......or a Muzza...........anywho.........sorry

Oh man that is so sad cause I am not really sure but in my intoxicated state I believe... have an opinion, that she is not feeling the same for you. Though I could be totally wrong and ... oh man this is so weird. I thought you two was an item when I first got here and now I know it is true.

boy I is embarrassed. I have no idea what to say anymore. Feels like I have stumbled into something that should be private and not even sure what to think. Better have some more to drink... yep that will fix it all. I think. Boy it is really hard to type when sorta embearrassed and and and ummm whatever.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:01 pm

jacfan wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:
I fully agree. We are all entitled to our own opinion. The problem here isn't differing opinions, it is false accusations that are then labeled as facts.

In falsely accusing me of saying something, that is no longer an opinion.

But as I said before, he'll never be able to find proof to his "so called" facts cause I never said such things.

And the Webber vs Heidfeld argument that Heidfeld scored more points because Webber had more mechanical failures is absolute rubbish. Look up the record from last year and see how many times did each of them retire due to mechanical failure when they were team-mates.
Yet he labels it as fact!

Nothing to do with opinion Jacfan!
Conversely, when you falsely accuse me of statements you expect to be believed.
You are an expert at disemmination,imho
Non the less
I doffs me lid, and bow down before you, in humble apologetic abject humility, Queen JayVee.
In order to satisfy those who would ride their chargers to death in your defence, as much to save the overworked officers of the RSPCA,as to save the limited resources of planet Earth, I withdraw my baseless allegations.(sorry Mr Saward, Sorry Mr Dodson et al)
It is all in my imagination that I should know anything about race cars.
Or Drivers.
I must have been having a bad hair day, and imagined you adopted the "Alonso the Cute" phrase I was the first to post on this forum.
I must have been an idiot to misread your posts about Jacques and what he was going to do in '05, back when you were teaching me how to post and edit.
Similarly I am an idiot to think that I should have an opinion different to yours about Alonso.
I guess JV will be the only F1 driver of our time to win only 1 WDC.
I know, and admit, and apologise to all who have endured the postings of yesterday, that I finally snapped, when confronted by yet another post eulogising a one time winner of the WDC (yes TK, I do believe you would have won it in the same car......hells bells 10 years ago I would have )
To put simply, I have a problem with ANYONE who only posts
A/ when the driver they backs wins.......or beats Scummaker
B/when they want to start an argument.........And I refer directly to a post from JayVee to Jim Watt.
But I WILL seek therapy,....... promise .......
As soon as someone comes out and threatens not to respond to any posts to someone blackening my name.
To all others......sorry ........but it was fun ........and it livened up your day, admit it
And JayVee, apologies about the marriage thing, but I do think of you as being one hell of a catch.
You are intellligent, quick witted, quick to anger, love putting guys down
have a formidable knowledge of the history of F1, love life,.drive a Numbus happily, lust after a ......was it a Calais.......or a Muzza...........anywho.........sorry
Oh man that is so sad cause I am not really sure but in my intoxicated state I believe... have an opinion, that she is not feeling the same for you. Though I could be totally wrong and ... oh man this is so weird. I thought you two was an item when I first got here and now I know it is true. boy I is embarrassed. I have no idea what to say anymore. Feels like I have stumbled into something that should be private and not even sure what to think. Better have some more to drink... yep that will fix it all. I think. Boy it is really hard to type when sorta embearrassed and and and ummm whatever.

Nup, we never was..........sigh................

damn that means I owe JV another apology......

..........Mind you......a few more n she wii marry me outa spite........

I am sorry JV
I am sorry JV
I apologise JV
I will not mention marrige til next time

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:05 am

Julian Mayo wrote:

Nup, we never was..........sigh................ damn that means I owe JV another apology...... ..........Mind you......a few more n she wii marry me outa spite........

I am sorry JV
I am sorry JV
I apologise JV
I will not mention marrige til next time

Dude you're pushing it...

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:20 am

Who got married and why?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:11 am

gkaytaz wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:

Nup, we never was..........sigh................ damn that means I owe JV another apology...... ..........Mind you......a few more n she wii marry me outa spite........

I am sorry JV
I am sorry JV
I apologise JV
I will not mention marrige til next time
Dude you're pushing it...

Effective this morning, I have placed a total ban on my sitting at the keyboard after consuming two bottles of red wine

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:03 pm

Snowy wrote:Never underestimate the power of the Newey

Did you know that he left Williams because he was upset by the way they treated Damon, and he left Mclaren because he was upset by the way they treated DC. The FORCE is strong in this one, he resists the darkside.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:17 pm

F1-NUT wrote:Really wanted Webber to shine at Williams, but as he has just said, the team is drastically underfunded.

Williams' problems are anything but a lack of funds! The engine manufacturer's must have become weary of Sir Frankstein turning into Mr Hyde. Target a top LeMans engine supplier and hit 'em up. Frank 'n' Head should've gone after Audi, Chrysler, Cadillac or maybe Bentley! How cool would that have been...Williams-Bentley!

Funding is not a problem for Williams. They just dropped too many balls!!

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:20 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
Conversely, when you falsely accuse me of statements you expect to be believed.
You are an expert at disemmination,imho
Non the less
I doffs me lid, and bow down before you, in humble apologetic abject humility, Queen JayVee.
In order to satisfy those who would ride their chargers to death in your defence, as much to save the overworked officers of the RSPCA,as to save the limited resources of planet Earth, I withdraw my baseless allegations.(sorry Mr Saward, Sorry Mr Dodson et al)
It is all in my imagination that I should know anything about race cars.
Or Drivers.
I must have been having a bad hair day, and imagined you adopted the "Alonso the Cute" phrase I was the first to post on this forum.
I must have been an idiot to misread your posts about Jacques and what he was going to do in '05, back when you were teaching me how to post and edit.
Similarly I am an idiot to think that I should have an opinion different to yours about Alonso.
I guess JV will be the only F1 driver of our time to win only 1 WDC.
I know, and admit, and apologise to all who have endured the postings of yesterday, that I finally snapped, when confronted by yet another post eulogising a one time winner of the WDC (yes TK, I do believe you would have won it in the same car......hells bells 10 years ago I would have )
To put simply, I have a problem with ANYONE who only posts
A/ when the driver they backs wins.......or beats Scummaker
B/when they want to start an argument.........And I refer directly to a post from JayVee to Jim Watt.
But I WILL seek therapy,....... promise .......
As soon as someone comes out and threatens not to respond to any posts to someone blackening my name.
To all others......sorry ........but it was fun ........and it livened up your day, admit it
And JayVee, apologies about the marriage thing, but I do think of you as being one hell of a catch.
You are intellligent, quick witted, quick to anger, love putting guys down
have a formidable knowledge of the history of F1, love life,.drive a Numbus happily, lust after a ......was it a Calais.......or a Muzza...........anywho.........sorry
Oh man that is so sad cause I am not really sure but in my intoxicated state I believe... have an opinion, that she is not feeling the same for you. Though I could be totally wrong and ... oh man this is so weird. I thought you two was an item when I first got here and now I know it is true. boy I is embarrassed. I have no idea what to say anymore. Feels like I have stumbled into something that should be private and not even sure what to think. Better have some more to drink... yep that will fix it all. I think. Boy it is really hard to type when sorta embearrassed and and and ummm whatever.

Nup, we never was..........sigh................ damn that means I owe JV another apology...... ..........Mind you......a few more n she wii marry me outa spite........

I am sorry JV
I am sorry JV
I apologise JV
I will not mention marrige til next time

How did I miss all of this fun??!?

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:59 pm

RE30B#16 wrote: How cool would that have been...Williams-Bentley!

Williams-Bentley would indeed be cool

RE30B#16 wrote: Funding is not a problem for Williams. They just dropped too many balls!!

They will bounce back eventually but until that happens I am afraid they will lose quite a bit of supporters. Toyota engines will prove to be a step up from Cosworth (at least reliability-wise) but as long as the aero package is not up to par with the likes of Honda, Toyota and BMW they are condemned to #7 or 8 spot in the constructors' table. My personal prediction is an average 2007 season with a #5 spot for Williams until they can put the Toyota engines to full work. By 2008 we'll have the engine freeze in effect and the teams will be able to buy chassis from other manufacturers, making further predictions real tough.

Any ideas?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:10 pm

RE30B#16 wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote: Oh man that is so sad cause I am not really sure but in my intoxicated state I believe... have an opinion, that she is not feeling the same for you. Though I could be totally wrong and ... oh man this is so weird. I thought you two was an item when I first got here and now I know it is true. boy I is embarrassed. I have no idea what to say anymore. Feels like I have stumbled into something that should be private and not even sure what to think. Better have some more to drink... yep that will fix it all. I think. Boy it is really hard to type when sorta embearrassed and and and ummm whatever.

Nup, we never was..........sigh................ damn that means I owe JV another apology...... ..........Mind you......a few more n she wii marry me outa spite........

I am sorry JV
I am sorry JV
I apologise JV
I will not mention marrige til next time

How did I miss all of this fun??!?

Just lucky I guess