Is Michael retiring ? (Michael to retire at end of 2006)

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:16 pm

Mmmmmmmm....... I appreciate your sentiments but just don't want to have a queue ... or at least a queue of more than one...

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:19 pm

jacfan wrote:Mmmmmmmm....... I appreciate your sentiments but just don't want to have a queue ... or at least a queue of more than one...

Ahem, (Knock, knock)

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:21 pm

I think we better take this to the b... lounge before

Ed gets annoyed again.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:23 pm

jacfan wrote:I think we better take this to the b... lounge before Ed gets annoyed again.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:59 pm

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Kapel, I expected more from you than to resort to overblowing certain events with Alonso to defend your beloved Schumacher. [/quote]

Chris,U have also started blowing things out of proportion,like JayVee,b'cos some1 said something about ur beloved.(Isnt it easy to make such a statement?)

Blame it on TV coverage or not,its my observation & not opinion.N i felt like expressing it here...u dont like reading it,its ur call.

When was the last time did u ever critisized ur beloved Alonso & praised Michael???i cant recollect..
I did for Michael,when he parked his car in Monaco & have praised Alonso when he deserved it.Blindfolded Alonso fans here,chose to ignore the deeds he's done this year(Like blocking slower cars & crashing into them in the next practise).

None of u'll pounce on Renault for the tactics they used in China for defending Alonso(Wonder ur & Jayvee comments would have been if it was Massa doing to save Michael) & then Alonso goes to critisizee his teammate & his team for not helping him.I mean wht more obvious help does he need?

Getting back to my observation Alonso is amazing sportperson on track but not when he's outta the car.N Ya if u could say the opposite for Michael (sometimes

)

JayVee,firstly take a chill pill...U should know me by now...i've nothing against ur Alonso nor any other driver...i just make observations & say it here...for every other driver in the most fair way i deem fit.
U need to remove those blue glasses,n look with a different prospective for the other ppl's comments.U need to look beyound Alonso for ur comments on this forum,the sun doesnt shine on his backside only.Formula 1 is not Alonso only...every other driver driver in the championship this has done something worth appreciating,but sorry to say its beyond ur observation.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:55 pm

Kapel,

You look at things from your prespective and I will look from mine.

You said he never congratulates and that was rubbish. It was a WRONG observation/opinion (call it what you want). Pay more attention next time before you just make such comments.

You post what you like but posting wrong and misleading information just reflects on you.

I am glad that someone has arrived in Formula 1 that took the shine away from your Michael. All this "you need" blah blah of yours, you can tell it to your self as that is how you saw Michael for the last few years until Alonso arrived.

It is tough but you'll get over it once you find a new driver to believe in. That may take a while though!

Oh and take it easy on Chris! You just did the same!!

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:03 pm

As for my critisism of Alonso, I did but if you have a filter on, that isn't my problem. Seems that you have a selective memory.

I did say that he deserved the penalty for brake testing a car in practice, I think that was in Hungary.

Crashing into someone ? When did Alonso crash into someone ? Are you making this thing up just to add spice!!
Or are you just desparate to find something on Alonso to talk about. You just can't believe someone can be better than Michael and not be a cheat ??

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:29 pm

JayVee wrote:As for my critisism of Alonso, I did but if you have a filter on, that isn't my problem. Seems that you have a selective memory.

I did say that he deserved the penalty for brake testing a car in practice, I think that was in Hungary.

Crashing into someone ? When did Alonso crash into someone ? Are you making this thing up just to add spice!!
Or are you just desparate to find something on Alonso to talk about. You just can't believe someone can be better than Michael and not be a cheat ??

JayVee,you probably seemed to have overlookd the article on Alonso crashing in practise in the very next GP trying to bully a slower car,a smaller team...U will ofcourse...go find it...i dont make things up...tell me if u cant..i will for u...

Another article u overlooked where Alonso back tracked on his statement of saying Michael is the most unsporting driver..he blamed it on spanish media talking too much...but ofcourse u shall overlook those articles...

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:39 pm

JayVee wrote: You post what you like but posting wrong and misleading information just reflects on you.

JayVee,from ur posts all i know whats ur opnion on F1 is i.e. Alonso,period!F1 for u starts & ends there.
For u every other driver is crap,but if Alonso makes a mistake its down to his lack of experience & when he excells u start comparing him with the greats...Only u on this forum have a biased opinion about him & against every driver.

Anyone here tries to bring out a good point abt their fav driver...ur the first one to thrash that post..

U claim tht i've have a personal problem with Alonso,which i dont & shows in my post when he's done a great job unlike u,who does have a personal problem with Michael,which just shows in ur posts here.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:07 pm

Kapel,

You have your opinion and I have mine. Not interested in going around in circles.

I don't need to prove or find anything. You claim something then you show proof. I always try to find the actual quote and quote it and I only look at respectable media not trash sites.

As for me beleiving every other driver is crap. You got that completely WRONG. Never did I say that about any driver. Some drivers have done too many mistakes (IMO) but even then it doesn't make them crap. Anyone who makes it to F1 must be really good, even Sato

But I guess that is your way, you enjoy generalising:

Never did congratulate
For u every other driver is crap

etc .....

You see it reflects on you and what you post.

Find me a post where someone is praising one driver for something good they did on track and show me where I thrashed them ? Just one please ?
In the last race I praised Button and Raikkonen if I remember correctly for having a good race.

Even Michael, I have nothing against him off the track, it is really none of my business what he does and doesn't do. What I do have against Michael is his on track action and if any other driver behaves in that way (and that includes Alonso) I will say the same things about that driver.

And I have yet to make a claim that Alonso is a great (he is The Cute though

). I don't easily give that description to anyone!!. I always say that if he continues this way he will become one of the greats.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:19 pm

JayVee wrote:Kapel,

I don't need to prove or find anything. You claim something then you show proof. I always try to find the actual quote and quote it and I only look at respectable media not trash sites.

http://www.formula1.com/race/news/4842/764.html
Read the comment by Doornbos.Well i'm sure u can make something out of this todefend ur ALonso who was bullying this driver.

Also u can go back on this forum article "Turkish GP" page 8..though Ed was very polite in his comments...

All i'm trying to say here is that ppl in power do use it to their advantage i.e. bullying smaller team drivers by his status of F1 champion..which Alonsa has does this year twice ...this is just a start...more to come in years

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:24 pm

JayVee wrote: Even Michael, I have nothing against him off the track, it is really none of my business what he does and doesn't do. What I do have against Michael is his on track action and if any other driver behaves in that way (and that includes Alonso) I will say the same things about that driver.

Never has u praised him for doing a fair & good race...u go complaining what a mess Alonso's team did or his tyres where gone & stuff...

Whereas when last yr,bridgestone where in blantant trouble,u enjoyed poking fun at Michael for his driving...very fair expert u are.

N yes i remember how u critisized Alonso when he was given a penalty for blocking

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:29 pm

JayVee wrote:Find me a post where someone is praising one driver for something good they did on track and show me where I thrashed them ? Just one please ?
In the last race I praised Button and Raikkonen if I remember correctly for having a good race.

I will...just a little tired from my trip...but soon...havent read ur last race comments...but if you have then its good for the forum

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:08 am

Kapel wrote:
JayVee wrote:Kapel,

I don't need to prove or find anything. You claim something then you show proof. I always try to find the actual quote and quote it and I only look at respectable media not trash sites.
http://www.formula1.com/race/news/4842/764.html
Read the comment by Doornbos.Well i'm sure u can make something out of this todefend ur ALonso who was bullying this driver.

Also u can go back on this forum article "Turkish GP" page 8..though Ed was very polite in his comments...

All i'm trying to say here is that ppl in power do use it to their advantage i.e. bullying smaller team drivers by his status of F1 champion..which Alonsa has does this year twice ...this is just a start...more to come in years

Your assumptions make it clear that you have a personal issue with Alonso.

I don't know what you achieve by making up stories, just to spice up things or in the hope that you change people's opinion ?

A few posts earlier in this thread you said:

Kapel wrote:JayVee,you probably seemed to have overlookd the article on Alonso crashing in practise in the very next GP trying to bully a slower car,a smaller team...U will ofcourse...go find it...i dont make things up...tell me if u cant..i will for u...

Then when I tell you to prove it you come up with a link that points to this:

Robert Doornbos, third driver, Red Bull (7th, +0.757s):
?It?s a great circuit here and Turkey?s a great place to be. We were unfortunate today as the car had some problems, meaning we lost track time and weren?t that competitive. But, most importantly, we have an answer on the tyres, which is what we?re here for so that?s good. I had a bit of an incident towards the end of the session. Everyone?s trying to put in good laps, I was on a good time and ended up in a bit of a ?chicken? game with Alonso. It was a case of ?who?s going to brake latest?, but that?s all there was to it."

And you refer to Ed's quote on page 8 of the Turkish GP, I think you meant this:

Ed wrote:Another incident between Alonso and Doornbos. Alonso appears to be overtaking Doornbos, both leave it too late and lock up their tyres. They appear to have touched but from another angle it doesn't seem so!

In neither reference does it say that Alonso crashed into Doornbos.

Unfortunately in Australia we don't get to see practice sessions so I cannot comment on what happened first hand. Perhaps Ed can tell us more about this incident but it certainly wasn't a crash and if Alonso had done anything wrong he would have been penalised.

To link this and the penalty in Hungary and to describe it as "the start" and more to come in years is ridiculous and shows how desparate you are to find anything on Alonso.

Making up stories Kapel doesn't help your case.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:59 pm

JayVee wrote:
Kapel wrote:
JayVee wrote:Kapel,

I don't need to prove or find anything. You claim something then you show proof. I always try to find the actual quote and quote it and I only look at respectable media not trash sites.
http://www.formula1.com/race/news/4842/764.html
Read the comment by Doornbos.Well i'm sure u can make something out of this todefend ur ALonso who was bullying this driver.

Also u can go back on this forum article "Turkish GP" page 8..though Ed was very polite in his comments...

All i'm trying to say here is that ppl in power do use it to their advantage i.e. bullying smaller team drivers by his status of F1 champion..which Alonsa has does this year twice ...this is just a start...more to come in years
Your assumptions make it clear that you have a personal issue with Alonso.

I don't know what you achieve by making up stories, just to spice up things or in the hope that you change people's opinion ?

A few posts earlier in this thread you said:

Kapel wrote:JayVee,you probably seemed to have overlookd the article on Alonso crashing in practise in the very next GP trying to bully a slower car,a smaller team...U will ofcourse...go find it...i dont make things up...tell me if u cant..i will for u...
Then when I tell you to prove it you come up with a link that points to this:
Robert Doornbos, third driver, Red Bull (7th, +0.757s):
?It?s a great circuit here and Turkey?s a great place to be. We were unfortunate today as the car had some problems, meaning we lost track time and weren?t that competitive. But, most importantly, we have an answer on the tyres, which is what we?re here for so that?s good. I had a bit of an incident towards the end of the session. Everyone?s trying to put in good laps, I was on a good time and ended up in a bit of a ?chicken? game with Alonso. It was a case of ?who?s going to brake latest?, but that?s all there was to it."
And you refer to Ed's quote on page 8 of the Turkish GP, I think you meant this:
Ed wrote:Another incident between Alonso and Doornbos. Alonso appears to be overtaking Doornbos, both leave it too late and lock up their tyres. They appear to have touched but from another angle it doesn't seem so!
In neither reference does it say that Alonso crashed into Doornbos.

Unfortunately in Australia we don't get to see practice sessions so I cannot comment on what happened first hand. Perhaps Ed can tell us more about this incident but it certainly wasn't a crash and if Alonso had done anything wrong he would have been penalised.

To link this and the penalty in Hungary and to describe it as "the start" and more to come in years is ridiculous and shows how desparate you are to find anything on Alonso.

Making up stories Kapel doesn't help your case.

As expected...like always.
I think there's no point bringing to ur notice that power drivers of every era have tried to bully other driver..be it Senna or Michael or Alonso for now...on track dirty tricks,probably Michael's were more and even more highlighted than his previous super drivers...
I condemn what Senna did(so wht if he announced it before the start of the race),defi wht Michael did...but it doesnt make him the most unsporting driver in history(which btw,JayVee, Alonso backtracked on his statement)

I've nothing against Alonso,which ur trying to emphasize for reason known to u best (Probably u want be Alonso's biggest fan & dont want new entries

)

All the best JayVee