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What happened to the bad sportsman flag, and why wasn't it displayed to Alonso, when he regained his position illegally, the 1st time Webber passed him? No, JV, it is not an attack on Alonso, but the officials. Alonso only did what he could get away with Even Button, who NEVER concedes any praise to Webber , eventually concurred with the other commentators.

[quote="Graham Ross"]

Look, I would have liked Webber to be second but I am just putting a neutral view on this.



We don't want any common sense here G., we want to b#$% and moan about what could have been!!!!!!

julian mayo wrote:What happened to the bad sportsman flag, and why wasn't it displayed to Alonso, when he regained his position illegally, the 1st time Webber passed him? No, JV, it is not an attack on Alonso, but the officials. Alonso only did what he could get away with Even Button, who NEVER concedes any praise to Webber , eventually concurred with the other commentators.

That is an interesting one but in both cases both drivers went over the kurb so as Martin said later Webber may have gained a position illegally.

But hey it was great to watch especially the second time when Alonso switches direction and gets side by side with Webber on the exit! He never gives up this Alonso

It would be good to get an official view on such (as well as JayVee's )

Graham Ross wrote:

julian mayo wrote:What happened to the bad sportsman flag, and why wasn't it displayed to Alonso, when he regained his position illegally, the 1st time Webber passed him? No, JV, it is not an attack on Alonso, but the officials. Alonso only did what he could get away with Even Button, who NEVER concedes any praise to Webber , eventually concurred with the other commentators.

That is an interesting one but in both cases both drivers went over the kurb so as Martin said later Webber may have gained a position illegally.

But hey it was great to watch especially the second time when Alonso switches direction and gets side by side with Webber on the exit! He never gives up this Alonso

It would be good to get an official view on such (as well as JayVee's )

I would like JV's reply to arrive when I have my fireproof suit on

Graham Ross wrote:Ok, perhaps the Williams team did stuff up but they may have not. Heidfeld was stuffed pitting behind Webber at the first stop!

Well, Webber was in front of Nick & ahead in Championship as well why shouldn't he then expect to get priority in pit strategy. He offered the best chance of success.

Graham Ross wrote:Webber also stuffed up his start again losing two place, Heidfeld didn't so the starting problem shouldn't be purely be blamed at the car.

As mentioned in his press conference he had a clutch problem.

Graham Ross wrote:And Heidfeld's pass on Alonso was much cleaner than Webbers too

Whats that got to do with anything?
They don't give extra points for clean passes.

Graham Ross wrote:Look, I would have liked Webber to be second but I am just putting a neutral view on this.

As Julian has said this is no place for neutrality....Look where it got Switzerland!!!

Webber, as the leading Wiiliams driver in the race and championship (and with no problems with his car), should expect to get priority for his 1st & 2nd pit stop. This would be expected by all drivers at all teams except for Ferrari.

Why would you give priority to your 2nd placed driver in a race?
There is no logical answer for that.
Nick wasn't quicker than Mark and Mark had not ever looked like being passed by Nick.
So why pit Nick first?
It makes no sense.
Unless you are Ferrari

Graham Ross wrote:In the end he should have enjoyed his best ever finish. He may not have another one in a while. BAR weren't there, Renault will sort out their tyres and even Ferrari will be strong at some races.

Enjoy the moment

When you are competing at the elite level , 2nd or 3rd is never acceptable but just an indication that you are not good enough yet. I'm sure he is glad to have his first podium but what could have happened if Alonso had been made to give way or had he not had a clutch problem & got a good start.

Why be happy with 3rd when your own team has robbed you of 2nd.
Why not show the world that you are pissed off, that you have such a competitive drive that 3rd won't make you happy. Copping that on the chin and saying to the world yeah that was great is the sign of someone who will never get anywhere. That person should drive at Ferrari and play 2nd fiddle to Schumacher (no offence to Rueben but why not take a drive somewhere else & have a real crack).

Someone not being happy with 2nd will never cop critism from me BUT one who meekly yields and accepts mediocrity will!!!

Yeah! What he said!

bundy wrote:

Graham Ross wrote:Ok, perhaps the Williams team did stuff up but they may have not. Heidfeld was stuffed pitting behind Webber at the first stop!

Well, Webber was in front of Nick & ahead in Championship as well why shouldn't he then expect to get priority in pit strategy. He offered the best chance of success.

Graham Ross wrote:Webber also stuffed up his start again losing two place, Heidfeld didn't so the starting problem shouldn't be purely be blamed at the car.

As mentioned in his press conference he had a clutch problem.

Graham Ross wrote:And Heidfeld's pass on Alonso was much cleaner than Webbers too

Whats that got to do with anything?
They don't give extra points for clean passes.

Graham Ross wrote:Look, I would have liked Webber to be second but I am just putting a neutral view on this.

As Julian has said this is no place for neutrality....Look where it got Switzerland!!!

Webber, as the leading Wiiliams driver in the race and championship (and with no problems with his car), should expect to get priority for his 1st & 2nd pit stop. This would be expected by all drivers at all teams except for Ferrari.

Why would you give priority to your 2nd placed driver in a race?
There is no logical answer for that.
Nick wasn't quicker than Mark and Mark had not ever looked like being passed by Nick.
So why pit Nick first?
It makes no sense.
Unless you are Ferrari

Graham Ross wrote:In the end he should have enjoyed his best ever finish. He may not have another one in a while. BAR weren't there, Renault will sort out their tyres and even Ferrari will be strong at some races.

Enjoy the moment

When you are competing at the elite level , 2nd or 3rd is never acceptable but just an indication that you are not good enough yet. I'm sure he is glad to have his first podium but what could have happened if Alonso had been made to give way or had he not had a clutch problem & got a good start.

Why be happy with 3rd when your own team has robbed you of 2nd.
Why not show the world that you are pissed off, that you have such a competitive drive that 3rd won't make you happy. Copping that on the chin and saying to the world yeah that was great is the sign of someone who will never get anywhere. That person should drive at Ferrari and play 2nd fiddle to Schumacher (no offence to Rueben but why not take a drive somewhere else & have a real crack).

Someone not being happy with 2nd will never cop critism from me BUT one who meekly yields and accepts mediocrity will!!!

just in case anyone is not really sure;



I'M NOT HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bundy wrote:just in case anyone is not really sure;



I'M NOT HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad you said that, I wasn't sure

Seems like the deal with Williams-Toyota is almost done.
Rumours here in India, of all places are talking about Lexus entering into F1

Julian,arent u happy with the combo,Webber-Williams-Toyota

Kapel wrote:Seems like the deal with Williams-Toyota is almost done.
Rumours here in India, of all places are talking about Lexus entering into F1

Julian,arent u happy with the combo,Webber-Williams-Toyota

Yep, did you not notice my changed signature above your last post
Rumour here that Sauber will have BMW, and be rebranded as TATA F1

Sometimes our best responses are when we are angry

BUT

bundy wrote:Well, Webber was in front of Nick & ahead in Championship as well why shouldn't he then expect to get priority in pit strategy. He offered the best chance of success.

Webber did get priority. He pitted first after the safety car and last at the second pit stop. That was a priority as he qualified higher and was ahead at the safety car stage. I don't think it has anything to do with him leading the championship, that as you say only happens at Ferrari

bundy wrote:As mentioned in his press conference he had a clutch problem.

Excuses, excuses. Remember how many places he lost in Spain. Clutch too ?

bundy wrote:Whats that got to do with anything?
They don't give extra points for clean passes.

Of course not but and as Byron (another fellow Aussie) said Williams may have thought Heidfeld has a better chance of passing Alonso and he proved that and Webber may have learned from him how to do it. Nothing wrong with learning from your team-mate. Heidfeld is more experienced than Webber in F1.

bundy wrote:As Julian has said this is no place for neutrality....Look where it got Switzerland!!!

Why what happened to Switzerland, I haven't heard the news yet

bundy wrote:When you are competing at the elite level , 2nd or 3rd is never acceptable but just an indication that you are not good enough yet. I'm sure he is glad to have his first podium but what could have happened if Alonso had been made to give way or had he not had a clutch problem & got a good start.

Why be happy with 3rd when your own team has robbed you of 2nd.
Why not show the world that you are pissed off, that you have such a competitive drive that 3rd won't make you happy. Copping that on the chin and saying to the world yeah that was great is the sign of someone who will never get anywhere. That person should drive at Ferrari and play 2nd fiddle to Schumacher (no offence to Rueben but why not take a drive somewhere else & have a real crack).

Someone not being happy with 2nd will never cop critism from me BUT one who meekly yields and accepts mediocrity will!!!

100% agree with you here. I said he should enjoy the moment, but I didn't say he shouldn't understanding from the team what happened and putting his point accross strongly (if he feels like it), but saying things like "great for the team not so great for me" in public isn't a good sign in my opinion.

BTW: At Monaco, Williams had the same chance of success whether it was Webber or Heidfeld in front

julian mayo wrote:
Yep, did you not notice my changed signature above your last post
Rumour here that Sauber will have BMW, and be rebranded as TATA F1

Yes Julian i did notice ur signature

TATA F1 u mean,JV is being replaced by NK .
Anyway i dont think NK will be allowed to race after Irvine buys the Jordan

Can you imagine Irvine and Stoddy toe to toe? The battle of the mouth!

rah wrote:Can you imagine Irvine and Stoddy toe to toe? The battle of the mouth!

I would back stoddy. Irvine would be still taking his foot out of his mouth,by the time Stoddy was in top gear