New Qualifying Poll...

Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:19 pm

Something implied here but not explicitly said, is whether you get a fresh set of tyres for the race? I imagine the answer would have to be yes due to many laps. And then what tyres may be used in qual - same as race or..........?

Ed · Post by Ed » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:10 am

Interesting that most here so far are opting for the second option as the better of what is suggested and I say suggested because that is what they are at this stage. FOM are trying to gauge the public's response. We are not voting on suggestions that one of which will become a rule next year. Perhaps one will be adopted but it is by no means a certainty.
The teams have to agree on a format and they would like to agree on something quickly as they finalise the designs of next year's cars (the technical directors discussed this at the British GP on Friday - click here)

sgd, according to the second proposal, the last 30 minutes will determine the top 10 so 10 cars will be running and unlimited running will mean 10 cars at the end and some drivers will have traffic whether intentionally or not. I agree however that eleminating 5 then another 5 could make things interesting early in the session.

K-D, changing engines without penalty automatically introduces the prospect of a qualifying engine. After qualifying teams can claim they need to change an engine as a precaution. This will increase costs

Byron, I imagine that teams will be allowed to change tyres but on the same specification

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:31 am

Ed wrote:sgd, according to the second proposal, the last 30 minutes will determine the top 10 so 10 cars will be running and unlimited running will mean 10 cars at the end and some drivers will have traffic whether intentionally or not. I agree however that eleminating 5 then another 5 could make things interesting early in the session.

yeah. My bad. anyway 10 cars are anyway not too much and i think drivers will be keen to improve rather that to block others (more then they do when we had the 12 laps Q). limited or unlimited, u'll have to pit to make changes and refuel if u were on ultra-low-fuel, which should be the case... (my guess).

Ed, about those proposals... Those are in fact from the Teams (not FOM), so there's a good posibility that if one of them have lot of support it will be run...

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:27 pm

The Qualiflyer wrote:Personally - 'Real Races' weren't broke and shouldn't have been 'fixed'.

Yes bring back 12 lap qualifying and to ensure drivers go out early have 3 laps expire every 15 minutes

gmcg28c · Post by **gmcg28c** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:32 am

I am now warming to the proposal 2 I don't like the aggregate times of proposal 1 or the current qualifing regs.

If the current engine rule (lasting two races) and the same tyre rule(qualify on tyres for race) is retained. then teams and drivers will have to be careful about doing too many laps.

This helps the weather effect problem as the weather effected times are not gazumped by the earlier knockout sessions

My guess is that in the knockout sessions, most of the action will be in the midfield with drivers anxious to be included in the next session.
and the frontrunners (especially the provisional poll sitter) basically doing lap-dashes when needed and then parking it until they slip down the order a bit.
this will still give the minnows their TV exposure.

The final session will start quietly with a waiting game, until the last fifteen odd minutes of the session, and the very quickest times being in the last few moments.

I feel teams will likely do less laps in the practice sessions particularly in the morning sessions to compensate for the extra laps in qualifing. in which currently there is not much circulating by the top teams.

I think however, they may have to allow tyre changes for both during qualifing and fresh for the race. this would work with a weekend rationed tyre allocation.

Will this work for TV? How often have we seen Commercial TV broadcast go to an ad break just when something interesting is happening.

Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:55 am

How about -

The top 10 finishers from the previous race automatically qualify, in that order, for the next race?

Come to think of it, how about scrapping qual altogether and having them start from their finishing positions from the last race?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:05 am

Byron Forbes wrote:How about -

The top 10 finishers from the previous race automatically qualify, in that order, for the next race?

Come to think of it, how about scrapping qual altogether and having them start from their finishing positions from the last race?

In reverse order

Bundy · Post by **Bundy** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:25 pm

julian mayo wrote:V8 supercar qualifying works for me.

we have a winner.....in my opinion

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:19 am

K-D, changing engines without penalty automatically introduces the prospect of a qualifying engine. After qualifying teams can claim they need to change an engine as a precaution. This will increase costs

It may not be quite clear in how I formulated myself.

The engine must be the race engine, but they can change as many engines as they want over a meeting, without any penalties.

But I meant that they can use as many engines as they want during pratise, but the engine they qualify with is the engine they start the race with. If they break the ngine during qualifying, they start last on the grid with a new engine. My intent ws to avoid a qualifying engine, but getting rid of the illusion of cost savings, under the current system.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:51 am

um,er,ah,um,okay

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:10 am

Did u read the new proposal (from the F1 drivers) ????????

I LIKE IT!!!!!!

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:30 am

Looks like people here are too http://www.champcarfanatics.com/newsitem.php?id=84 and have not even read about the new Quali propoused by the drivers....

as fas as i know its something like this:

* 2 timed laps (not all at the same time on track but one by one, as it works now) the best time of those is the one which counts. looks like they want a second lap to take risks and go to the limit having assured a 1st timed lap which would be a prudent one...

* free (low) fuel load

* the order is decided by the Free Practices. this one is the best idea!!! it'd put spice on the free practices as well!!!!

more for the fans!!!!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:24 am

Old news SGD

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:44 am

julian mayo wrote:Old news SGD

Ah yeah?? give me the link to the thread pls!! there are too many threads about usa-categ. and so I couldn't find the one about Qualif... (beside of this one...)

Ed · Post by Ed » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:21 am

sgd, there are many qualifying proposals, nothing has yet been finalised. If you know something the others haven't raised then you can tell us what you know. Again without ridiculing what the others do on other forums.