Williams to use Cosworth Engines in '06 (Confirmed)

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Post by JayVee » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:24 pm

julian mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:Just for the sake of accuracy, in 94 Schumacher won the drivers title in a Benetton Ford however the last time a team won the constructors title with Cosworth was Williams in 1981.

Hey that may be a good sign julian :wink:

Sigh, if you read my posts you would have seen me say that yonks ago :twisted: ,... and, NO, I am not going to find the post, that is for more "trivial" minds.
This was just to make you feel better. To me it is obvious, Williams only went with Cosworth cause they had to. I don't think they will be competitive but you can be hopeful :D
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Post by JayVee » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:27 pm

rah wrote:After the years of development that McLaren have put in they still cant produce a reliable V10, what makes you think they will be ablt to make a good V8. Maybe 06 will not be a good year for them.

Mind you, I am sure Monty would like the extra cabin space. More room to put the mackas drive through.
McLaren aren't reliable this year either but look where they are compared to Williams BMW :?:
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Post by JayVee » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:42 pm

julian mayo wrote:JAYVEE, consider this before damning them with a disdainful toss of those delightful curls.
Until the French GP of 2004 Cosworth led Ferrari in GP victories with 176 victories. Cosworth produces the most reliable engines in Nth American racing. The current V10 engine in F1 is not the slowest.
Cosworth has more V8 experience than any other race engine manufacturer.
Cosworth has already surmounted the inherent vibration problems the other V8 manufacturers are grappling with ie.,
The new V8 is routinely running well in excess of 20,000 rpm on the dyno.
Williams has 113 gp wins to its credit and 16 world championships.
Williams finally has its two ONSITE Wind Tunnels calibrated, and up and running properly, with the result that most aerodynamicysts in the F1 industry expect the next FW chassis to be one of the most efficient out there.
And don't forget the "nature of the beast". Sir Frank would have been a trifle irked by BMW's decision, and the poor results (for whatever reason) this year. Historically, when SF is piqued and he perceives that his team's reputation is suffering heads roll and resulte ensue.
IMHO Williams have been putting a lot of resources into next years car, having "written off" this year, while Ferrari have been throwing most of their efforts at this year.BAR have been desperate for points,any points.
Mercedes have been unreliable. Renault seem to be capable of producing only one race winning car...do they have the technical depth to produce a race winning new car first up? Toyota have enormous resources and, again imho, could be potentially the biggest threat to the title if the drivers are up to it ( as long as he races I will have a question about Ralf's talent)
Similarly I have doubts about BMW having the expertise to be ultra competitive within the first season, technically, and a lot will depend on the driver line-up (as, of course, it will for ALL the teams)
Another aspect to consider is the different driving technique required to extract the utmost from the specific characteristics of the V8. It will suit some drivers immediately, others are going to have greater difficulty adapting.
Next season is going to be a tad interesting.
I take this to be a serious post given its length. Actually this is probably the longest post you've had so far :clap:

Cosworth have impressive stats but those stats stopped growing in 1994
I realise they have more experience but I don't think all that experience counts.
Sure calibration will help but wind tunnels are just tools, you need well designed cars in the first place to make them more efficient in the wind tunnel.
Heads have been rolling for a few years now at Williams now with no real result. They had the most powerful engine a couple of years ago yet couldn't win the title.

I agree with most of your concerns over the other teams but I can't see Williams being in a better position. They will not test the new engine until late in the year at the earliest. That is a massive disadvantage.

Finally back in 1997 when Ford Cosworth supplied Stewart with a new engine, remember the engine failures!

At least Webber will feel just like he did at Jaguar :shock:

Anyway, we shall wait and see
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Post by Julian Mayo » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:46 pm

Ever the pessimist! :crush:
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Post by Byron Forbes » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:46 am

The Cosworth in the pathetic Jaguar chassis was good enough for qual laps comparable to anyone - Webber was very close to pole times on a number of occasions at Jaguar. Once the race started and the chassis started to overheat and overuse the tyres, as poor chassis do, then the pace disappeared - nothing to do with the engine.

I see no reason to believe that Williams will be any better or worse off with Cosworth next year - they need a better chassis more than anything. In fact, with Cosworth being up to date F1 wise and with current V8 experience elsewhere, there may indeed be a reason to think Williams might be better off than if they were still with BMW. Red Bull aren't exactly slow this year and the chassis is no 2000-2004 Ferrari.

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Post by JayVee » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:25 pm

Byron Forbes wrote:The Cosworth in the pathetic Jaguar chassis was good enough for qual laps comparable to anyone - Webber was very close to pole times on a number of occasions at Jaguar. Once the race started and the chassis started to overheat and overuse the tyres, as poor chassis do, then the pace disappeared - nothing to do with the engine.
Sorry but if you change Cosworth to BMW and Jaguar to Williams you'll be talking about 2005 :roll:

The problem is mainly the Williams chassis but I still reckon the V8 BMW will be better than the V8 Cosworth
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Post by Julian Mayo » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:31 pm

JayVee wrote:
Byron Forbes wrote:The Cosworth in the pathetic Jaguar chassis was good enough for qual laps comparable to anyone - Webber was very close to pole times on a number of occasions at Jaguar. Once the race started and the chassis started to overheat and overuse the tyres, as poor chassis do, then the pace disappeared - nothing to do with the engine.
Sorry but if you change Cosworth to BMW and Jaguar to Williams you'll be talking about 2005 :roll:

The problem is mainly the Williams chassis but I still reckon the V8 BMW will be better than the V8 Cosworth
Why :?:
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