F1 - Technical Analysis

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Sat May 21, 2005 11:31 am

K-D wrote:
JayVee wrote:The only reason Michael won the last 5 championships is becuase of a superior car and no team-mate to fight with. Sure it is legal but let me tell you it SUCKS and that is why F1 has lost its appeal. Not the overtaking, not the aerodynamics but Michael and Co and their tactics to win at any cost
We also disagree on hoe easy/difficult it is to win in F1. Chosing to think that MS can only win "because" of the intra-team support, is in my view a denial of what it really takes to win in F1.

K-D, in the past I asked you if you were a journalist and you answered that then but let me ask you again not to put words in my mouth please.

I never said "MS can only win "because" of the intra-team support"

I said "The only reason Michael won the last 5 championships is becuase of a superior car and no team-mate to fight with."

Had Michael had a teammate like Mika or Jacques on equal terms, he would have not won 5 championships and NO ONE would be calling Formula 1 boring. (again in my opinion)

In the history of F1, I don't think there was a more dominant car than the McLaren MP4/4 of 1988 which won all the races (OK, the only race they didn't win was the Italian grand prix where Senna led for 49 out of 51 laps only to be punted out by the hopeless Jean-Louis Schlesser)

Yet NO ONE would say 1988 was a boring season, NO ONE came out and said change the rules, and MORE people became interested in F1.

Calling Michael much much better than all the drivers he is racing against is your opinion to which I respectfully competely disagree with and consider it a completely unfair comparison.

I really hope that one day the teams can agree to not only allow competition within a team but to actively promote it. May be I am being optimistic but I am sure it can be done.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat May 21, 2005 11:39 am

JayVee wrote: In the history of F1, I don't think there was a more dominant car than the McLaren MP4/4 of 1988 which won all the races (OK, the only race they didn't win was the Italian grand prix where Senna led for 49 out of 51 laps only to be punted out by the hopeless Jean-Louis Schlesser)

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The Mercedes, Pre-war? Auto-Union? Lotus?

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:34 pm

Have i been missing something here

, i guess not...same old stuff..

Ed,every thread here is gonna turn into Pro-Michael & Anti-Michael arguement threads

Ppl this is a never ending arguement!!!!

This is BORING

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actually not

,keep arguing)
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Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:39 pm

Kapel wrote:Have i been missing something here , i guess not...same old stuff..

Ed,every thread here is gonna turn into Pro-Michael & Anti-Michael arguement threads

Ppl this is a never ending arguement!!!! This is BORING

( actually not ,keep arguing)
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Jeez, Kappy I try my best. I thought the post above yours might get somebody fired up.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:51 pm

julian mayo wrote:
Kapel wrote:Have i been missing something here , i guess not...same old stuff..

Ed,every thread here is gonna turn into Pro-Michael & Anti-Michael arguement threads

Ppl this is a never ending arguement!!!! This is BORING

( actually not ,keep arguing)
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Jeez, Kappy I try my best. I thought the post above yours might get somebody fired up.

Fired up to leave this forum

Again

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:07 pm

no no no no no no no, Iactually thought JV might give me a whack under the ear with a few pertinent facts, which I am too lazy to look up for myself

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:14 pm

julian mayo wrote:no no no no no no no, Iactually thought JV might give me a whack under the ear with a few pertinent facts, which I am too lazy to look up for myself

I see,JV has left quite an impact on u after she's become a "Formula One race Winner"

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:27 pm

Kapel wrote:
julian mayo wrote:no no no no no no no, Iactually thought JV might give me a whack under the ear with a few pertinent facts, which I am too lazy to look up for myself
I see,JV has left quite an impact on u after she's become a "Formula One race Winner"

Even before that I considered her nought but The Goddess of the forum, the Danica Patrick of posts

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:51 pm

sgd wrote:
K-D wrote:This is what I mean by ugly, and shuld be banned...

yeah, that's certanly ugly... herei post one more very ugly "aeropart"... (and should be banned as well (??)(because is SO ugly! )

(i mean "2" and "OLD" as well)

JayVee wrote:Yes that Ferrari extra bit is ugly. Not just that, it looks unprofessional and sloppy like it was added later as an after-thought

Shows that they are running out of ideas. By contrast see how beautifully designed the Renault is

I jut wanted to add some comments on the images obove...:

1.Toyota TF105 - additional front winglets
To increase downforce at Monaco, extra winglets have been mounted using tiny pillars on top of the main front wing profiles. The concept is similar to Renault's front wing at Imola, but the look is somewhat stranger, closely resembling elements normally atop sidepods. The effect is to add front-end sharpness to the car on entry to corners.

2.Ferrari F2005 - front wing
For Monaco the central 'box wing' loses its upper profile (2). This reduces the car's pitch sensitivity under braking, and the small loss of front downforce is recovered by adding ballast inside the bottom of the nose cone. This has slightly changed the overall balance of the car, while maintaining its sharpness into corners, a quality paramount at this track. The largely unchanged endplates now sport a single, small horizontal winglet (1).

for more see:http://www.formula1.com/insight/technic ... 7/124.html

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat May 21, 2005 5:01 pm

Good post Mate!! lets see if it works! With the track temps Schuey has the ability to get a high Q position regardless of his starting q run

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Sat May 21, 2005 5:02 pm

Thanks Sgd,these are the reasons y i come to this thread.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Sat May 21, 2005 5:14 pm

Kapel wrote:every thread here is gonna turn into Pro-Michael & Anti-Michael arguement threads

I fully agree Kapel but I didn't start it. I just said that going back to the old technology doesn't mean that racing won't be boring and I mentioned Fangio and his dominance.

K-D had to bring his Michael into it. You know Michael is getting ignored on track so he needs some publicity

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Sat May 21, 2005 6:55 pm

julian mayo wrote: The Mercedes, Pre-war? Auto-Union? Lotus?

The most wins in a year are:

McLaren in 1988 with 15 wins out of 16 races
Ferrari in 2002 with 15 wins out of 17 races
Ferrari in 2004 with 15 wins out of 18 races
McLaren in 1984 with 12 wins out of 16 races
Williams in 1996 with 12 wins out of 16 races

The best wins/races ratio in a year are:

McLaren in 1988 with a 93.75% win/race ratio
Ferrari in 2002 with 88.24%
Ferrari in 1952 with 87.50%
Ferrari in 2004 with 83.33%
Ferrari in 1953 with 77.78%

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:10 pm

Thank you OH MIGHTY GODDESS of stats. I now have the required data. I doffs me lid yet again

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:38 pm

JayVee wrote:...
K-D had to bring his Michael into it. You know Michael is getting ignored on track so he needs some publicity

Sorry Mam,

You were the one bringing Michael into this.

Page 1, post 14.

I was simply arguing for better overtaking, and the means to acheive that.