FIA's new CDG Wing (rejected for 2007!)

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Post by GhoGho » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:05 am

Ed wrote:Two issues here, the load on the rear wings is greater than that on the front wing plus the flex could be an issue especially that in the past the FIA banned any flexing on the current rear wings.

I understand the Heretic is preparing an article on this :wink:
Ed 'n others,
This is why the designers get paid the big bucks!
Sure the loads will be different to what is used now, but it also opens a whole new area to be explored and conquered by the designers, something which F1 has always done extremely well. (and loopholes to be investigated)
When the rules stagnate, so too does development.
This could be the first good idea Max and Co. have had for a long time.
I for one am really looking forward to something new!
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Post by adz_619 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:44 am

hmmmmmmmmmmm... yes i agree with you julian, since he is the editor
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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:32 am

adz_619 wrote:hmmmmmmmmmmm... yes i agree with you julian, since he is the editor
You think I am the editor :?:
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Post by JayVee » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:12 am

Congratulations Julian on your new job :clap: :clap: :clap: :bounce: :bouncey: :bouncec: :rolling: :ROTFLMAO: :cheers:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:14 am

JayVee wrote:Congratulations Julian on your new job :clap: :clap: :clap: :bounce: :bouncey: :bouncec: :rolling: :ROTFLMAO: :cheers:
Hmmm, I think Ed might have something to say about this :shock:
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Post by JayVee » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:15 am

GhoGho wrote:
Ed wrote:Two issues here, the load on the rear wings is greater than that on the front wing plus the flex could be an issue especially that in the past the FIA banned any flexing on the current rear wings.

I understand the Heretic is preparing an article on this :wink:
Ed 'n others,
This is why the designers get paid the big bucks!
Sure the loads will be different to what is used now, but it also opens a whole new area to be explored and conquered by the designers, something which F1 has always done extremely well. (and loopholes to be investigated)
When the rules stagnate, so too does development.
This could be the first good idea Max and Co. have had for a long time.
I for one am really looking forward to something new!
Yes it is a challenge for the designers but the question I raised was that will it be safe ? And will it really make overtaking easier ?
Everytime the rules get changed someone will say this could be a good idea but then it turns out a failure.
Making a radical design a rule without testing is a recipe for disaster IMHO
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Post by rah » Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:36 am

I really can't see this new wing as a problem. By the looks of it, it has potential. There is no way it will be used if it is unsafe.
Ok, Lewis may win the WDC in 07, but Sato will beat him in 08.
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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:39 pm

most aircraft wings are not supported at both ends :lol:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:46 pm

Just did a little research, carbon fibre,( which I imagine these will be made from,) as used in F1 can withstand 12,000 lb/ft per degree of flex.
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Post by JayVee » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:14 pm

Guys I said I am no expert, just throwing questions!

The F1 cars as we know them suffer rear wing failures occasionally. Most would agree yes ? With these funny looking wings, would the failure rate be higher given they are supported from 1 side ?

rah, you say there is no way it would be used if it is unsafe. Sure, many teams have pulled out of events in the past due to rear-wing failures.
But this one is enforced on the teams and they haven't even tested the concept or have they ?
I guess they just pass the problem to the teams and let them deal with it :roll:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:38 pm

JayVee wrote:Guys I said I am no expert, just throwing questions!

The F1 cars as we know them suffer rear wing failures occasionally. Most would agree yes ? With these funny looking wings, would the failure rate be higher given they are supported from 1 side ?

rah, you say there is no way it would be used if it is unsafe. Sure, many teams have pulled out of events in the past due to rear-wing failures.
But this one is enforced on the teams and they haven't even tested the concept or have they ?
I guess they just pass the problem to the teams and let them deal with it :roll:
Jayvee I too have many questions, and am trying to reassure myself that the F (lipping) I (diot) A ( leave that to your imagination) have not pulled a rabbit out of the hat, instead of a white dove. Surely this has been done in conjuncton with research by the most qualified people there are. These cars are driven by real, live, human beings. If for no other reason, surely the FIA would not expose themselves to billions of dollars of lawsuits if their tech regs reulted in injury or death.
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Post by Ed » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:17 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:Congratulations Julian on your new job :clap: :clap: :clap: :bounce: :bouncey: :bouncec: :rolling: :ROTFLMAO: :cheers:
Hmmm, I think Ed might have something to say about this :shock:
Which races where you covering next season Julian :D
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Post by Ed » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:19 pm

Julian Mayo wrote: Jayvee I too have many questions, and am trying to reassure myself that the F (lipping) I (diot) A ( leave that to your imagination) have not pulled a rabbit out of the hat, instead of a white dove. Surely this has been done in conjuncton with research by the most qualified people there are. These cars are driven by real, live, human beings. If for no other reason, surely the FIA would not expose themselves to billions of dollars of lawsuits if their tech regs reulted in injury or death.
The Heretic's article is expected early next week at the latest and my initial discussions with him tell me his isn't impressed with the new rules :shock:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:19 am

Ed wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:Congratulations Julian on your new job :clap: :clap: :clap: :bounce: :bouncey: :bouncec: :rolling: :ROTFLMAO: :cheers:
Hmmm, I think Ed might have something to say about this :shock:
Which races where you covering next season Julian :D
Any that you send me to..............say, Brazil,Monaco,Bahrain,China, and of course Melbourne :lol:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:21 am

Nick Fry of Bar-Honda has expressed concerns over the new wing (F1racing), saying that it needs a lot more research and development.
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