The 7 Michelin teams (Guilty verdict cancelled!)
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Nothing official from the FIA so far on the reason.
The 7 teams have been found guilty on the first 2 charges
- failed to ensure that they had a supply of suitable tyres for the race
- wrongly refused to allow their cars to start the race
They were found not guilty on the remaining 3 charges
- wrongly refused to allow their cars to race, subject to a speed restriction in one corner
- combined with the other teams to make a demonstration damaging to the image of Formula One by pulling into the pits immediately before the start of the race
- failed to notify the stewards of your intention not to race, in breach of Article 131 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.
The 7 teams have been found guilty on the first 2 charges
- failed to ensure that they had a supply of suitable tyres for the race
- wrongly refused to allow their cars to start the race
They were found not guilty on the remaining 3 charges
- wrongly refused to allow their cars to race, subject to a speed restriction in one corner
- combined with the other teams to make a demonstration damaging to the image of Formula One by pulling into the pits immediately before the start of the race
- failed to notify the stewards of your intention not to race, in breach of Article 131 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.
This verdic needs a little time to sink in, on the face of it could seem as if the council will try to make the penalties light, and in order for that to make less of an uproar, being so close to the actual event, and the very damming words of Max Mosley.
Not sure what Ed alude to be rife rumors of reasoning for delay in meeting out the penalties.
But no matter what, there is already not ample fodder for conspiracy theories.
If by September 14th Ferrari and Michael Schumacher is close to the lead in the WCC and WDC, any penality involving points loss, or ban of races will be seen as the "usual" FIA towarsd Ferrari favrotism.
If by September 14th no more teams have signed up with the FIA for an extention of the Concorde, we could see all 7 teams be penalised points and race wise, and the GPWC will become a reality.
If by September 14th Michelin have not declared that they are leaving F1 by end of season, the 7 teams will be penalised points and race wise.
No matter how we turn it, BAR will be penalised for the reminded of the season after September 14th. They have a suspended ban hanging, and have now been found guilty once more. So their last race will be Spa September 11th. Unless someone can explain how you acn be found guilty, get a suspended ban, and then not have the ban kick in when the same team once more is found guilty.
It is strange to me that the teams were not found guilty of not informing the race stewards, since that is the one rule that they clearly broke.
I may change my opinoon on this as the day(s) go by.
Not sure what Ed alude to be rife rumors of reasoning for delay in meeting out the penalties.
But no matter what, there is already not ample fodder for conspiracy theories.
If by September 14th Ferrari and Michael Schumacher is close to the lead in the WCC and WDC, any penality involving points loss, or ban of races will be seen as the "usual" FIA towarsd Ferrari favrotism.
If by September 14th no more teams have signed up with the FIA for an extention of the Concorde, we could see all 7 teams be penalised points and race wise, and the GPWC will become a reality.
If by September 14th Michelin have not declared that they are leaving F1 by end of season, the 7 teams will be penalised points and race wise.
No matter how we turn it, BAR will be penalised for the reminded of the season after September 14th. They have a suspended ban hanging, and have now been found guilty once more. So their last race will be Spa September 11th. Unless someone can explain how you acn be found guilty, get a suspended ban, and then not have the ban kick in when the same team once more is found guilty.
It is strange to me that the teams were not found guilty of not informing the race stewards, since that is the one rule that they clearly broke.
I may change my opinoon on this as the day(s) go by.
K-D
On the reason behind why the penalties will be announced on the 14th of September, Max Mosley said "The World Motor Sport Council has decided to adjourn discussion of penalty to an extraordinary meeting, when it will be seen what steps have been taken to compensate the fans, and what steps have been taken by the Michelin teams to make sure nothing like this ever happens again."
Given the current state of F1, delaying the penalties will only fuel speculation on what will happen. You have come up with 3 possibilities!K-D wrote: Not sure what Ed alude to be rife rumors of reasoning for delay in meeting out the penalties.
It will also keep a cloud hanging over F1 until then and that isn't good.
Last edited by Ed on Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
Steel hand in a velvet glove...Ed wrote:On the reason behind why the penalties will be announced on the 14th of September, Max Mosley said "The World Motor Sport Council has decided to adjourn discussion of penalty to an extraordinary meeting, when it will be seen what steps have been taken to compensate the fans, and what steps have been taken by the Michelin teams to make sure nothing like this ever happens again."
So it's politics.
K-D
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Funny stuff since the FIA itself is part of the mitigating circumstancesguilty of failing to ensure that they were in possession of suitable tyres for the 2005 US Grand Prix; but with strong, mitigating circumstances
I honestly thought this was just a sarcastic suggestion by Todt! They were actually suggesting this??????? Unbelievableguilty of wrongfully refusing to allow their cars to start the race, having regard to their right to use the pit lane on each lap
No immediate penalty = puting pressure on Michelin to compensate handsomely and probably to minimise potential team/Michelin backlash.
6 of the 7 Michelin teams are very dissapointed with the decision by the World Motor Sport Council.
The teams claim that they cannot be held responsible for ensuring Michelin provides suitable tyres. They also don't agree to the suggestion that the teams could have used the pit lane on each lap.
They will be lodging an appeal.
The statement also indicated that 19 of the current Formula 1 drivers expressed agreement with the decision of the teams.
Full Statement
Red Bull Racing were not part of this joint statement
The teams claim that they cannot be held responsible for ensuring Michelin provides suitable tyres. They also don't agree to the suggestion that the teams could have used the pit lane on each lap.
They will be lodging an appeal.
The statement also indicated that 19 of the current Formula 1 drivers expressed agreement with the decision of the teams.
Full Statement
Red Bull Racing were not part of this joint statement
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Reading over the teams responses, I feel that the FIA is prettywell insane.
I see a point in the 1st one - Michelin effectively being a part of those 7 teams. But isn't the lack of points a big enough penalty anyway? Not too mention the embarrassment and reputation penalties!
The suggestion that driving thru the pits on every lap was some sort of viable option is so idiotic that I can't believe it! And it seems, if I'm reading it correctly, that the FIA never even proposed that officially (I thought it was Todt being sarcastic!). Is Todt/Ferrari such an integral part of the FIA that even they themselves no longer see any distinction?
I see a point in the 1st one - Michelin effectively being a part of those 7 teams. But isn't the lack of points a big enough penalty anyway? Not too mention the embarrassment and reputation penalties!
The suggestion that driving thru the pits on every lap was some sort of viable option is so idiotic that I can't believe it! And it seems, if I'm reading it correctly, that the FIA never even proposed that officially (I thought it was Todt being sarcastic!). Is Todt/Ferrari such an integral part of the FIA that even they themselves no longer see any distinction?
19 Formula 1 Drivers issued a statement regarding the 2005 United States Grand Prix at Indianapolis
All the regular drivers of 8 teams as well as the 2 McLaren test drivers and Toyota's test driver. The Ferrari and Jordan drivers did not sign this statement.
They state that slowing down at Turn 13 would have been unworkable, unpoliceable and above all, unsafe.
They also state that they didn't object to having a chicane.
Full statement
All the regular drivers of 8 teams as well as the 2 McLaren test drivers and Toyota's test driver. The Ferrari and Jordan drivers did not sign this statement.
They state that slowing down at Turn 13 would have been unworkable, unpoliceable and above all, unsafe.
They also state that they didn't object to having a chicane.
Full statement